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(11-22-2019 08:24 PM)HawaiiToNIU Wrote:  
(11-22-2019 08:12 PM)NIU05 Wrote:  Roberts left before Hammock. I don't buy the story be left for social life. He should have played more last year, he left BECAUSE of the coaching. He has played full time at FSU.

His dad who played at NIU specifically said "my son is disappointed with campus life. It's boring on weekends, everyone goes home"

And he left for a even bigger dumpster fire at FSU. Who just fired their coach midseason.

Also, Roberts left on January 26th. Carey was hired away on January 10th.
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(11-22-2019 06:57 PM)JKHuskie45 Wrote:  
(11-22-2019 04:13 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  
(11-22-2019 03:16 PM)JKHuskie45 Wrote:  When are we going to start holding Coach Hammock accountable? Why are people so quick to give this guy a free pass?
He did not take over a rebuilding project , infact, STF said he was hired to take us to the next level. Harbs, like it or not, was one of our best players. I am 100% sure he is not transferring because the team is losing. Good character sets the culture. Hammock pushed players out that had good character and much more will go when season is done (no, not 20 but quite a few). Now, instead of going to the next level, we are stuck rebuilding a team for the next 2 years by a guy who I am not sure can even coach let alone be entrusted to build a roster.

Since you believe in over-inflating every word:
-- did you honestly think STF talking about taking "us to the next level" was literal gospel, or something any and every AD would say about a new hire?
-- are you at every practice, team meeting, etc.? How do you know what the culture is and under this culture, what constitutes good character?
-- statistically Harbs was one of the best players. How many runningbacks don't want to be the featured back? How many don't want virtually unlimited touches to prove their ability? So you tell us why under these circumstances he wants to play somewhere else other than he doesn't like losing?
-- what is your evidence Hammock "pushed players out that had good character"? Or are these simply people you know or are friends with?
-- If the recruiting hadn't declined under Carey, how come the cupboard wasn't so well stocked that this year's team could withstand the numerous injuries that have occurred?
-- Why are so many people quick to give Hammock a free pass? Because many of us have been around Huskie athletics longer than you've been alive and we witnessed and saw Hammock's appreciation and commitment to NIU as a player; watched his rise through various coaching assignments at the collegiate and pro level. This is a guy who literally put his heart on the line for NIU football at one point. Most recently, he said it's his dream job, same as so many others have indicated when given a chance to coach at their alma mater. Maybe he gets a free pass because I like the kool-aid when he talks about success academically and athletically, same as he achieved here as a player, in contrast to some of the current generation's entitled attitude.
-- Charlie Sadler had a great resume, but Joe Novak had to run off players, some of whom were starters and believed they were stars, and yes it took longer, but the program did reach new heights. As some other poster noted, maybe to get beyond the level of Carey's we-can-never-win-a bowl-game level, another re-tooling was needed.
-- Despite the quality numbers posted, NIU has had many outstanding backs from Kellar to Latin to Richardson to Roth to Dach to Hammock to Turner to Johnson to Talley to Wolfe, etc., and Harbs doesn't make the top 10.
-- And finally, I'm giving Hammock a pass because I don't know what makes you such an expert on recruiting and coaching that you can even be entrusted to type up a roster, let alone build one. So I'd rather be stuck supporting Hammock and the Huskies than taking advice from someone who doesn't know how much of a football is pumped or stuffed.

----------- did you honestly think STF talking about taking "us to the next level" was literal gospel, or something any and every AD would say about a new hire?
Yes or atleast keep it at the level it was at. This was NOT a rebuild!
-- are you at every practice, team meeting, etc.? How do you know what the culture is and under this culture, what constitutes good character?
I personally know and talked to some players that were let go. Some who were on the deans list and were guys that you would let your daughter date.
-- statistically Harbs was one of the best players. How many runningbacks don't want to be the featured back? How many don't want virtually unlimited touches to prove their ability? So you tell us why under these circumstances he wants to play somewhere else other than he doesn't like losing?
You would have to ask Harbs as to why. This is a hunch, from talking from other players that got axed (and the reasons they were let go), there is more to meet the eye.
-- what is your evidence Hammock "pushed players out that had good character"?

[b]Answered above, but do not take my word for it. Hams tried to bring Collins RB (accused of assault) or held on to Deny Walker (arrested on felony and given benefit of doubt when Hammock arrived)as we were pushing out good players

-- If the recruiting hadn't declined under Carey, how come the cupboard wasn't so well stocked that this year's team could withstand the numerous injuries that have occurred? Because coaching sucked!
-- Why are so many people quick to give Hammock a free pass? Because many of us have been around Huskie athletics longer than you've been alive and we witnessed and saw Hammock's appreciation and commitment to NIU as a player; watched his rise through various coaching assignments at the collegiate and pro level. This is a guy who literally put his heart on the line for NIU football at one point. Most recently, he said it's his dream job, same as so many others have indicated when given a chance to coach at their alma mater. Maybe he gets a free pass because I like the kool-aid when he talks about success academically and athletically, same as he achieved here as a player, in contrast to some of the current generation's entitled attitude.
Nice story. So whoever is the greatest most diehard NIU fan should become the coach of NIU? Since when and why would being a fan of a team be a consideration on if you are qualified to coach. Give me the most qualified and I couldnt care less if the coach could find NIU on the map
-- Charlie Sadler had a great resume, but Joe Novak had to run off players, some of whom were starters and believed they were stars, and yes it took longer, but the program did reach new heights. As some other poster noted, maybe to get beyond the level of Carey's we-can-never-win-a bowl-game level, another re-tooling was needed. That was a rebuild not a championship team.
-- Despite the quality numbers posted, NIU has had many outstanding backs from Kellar to Latin to Richardson to Roth to Dach to Hammock to Turner to Johnson to Talley to Wolfe, etc., and Harbs doesn't make the top 10.
Does he make #11 or #15 , if so , that is not a talent you let go!
-- And finally, I'm giving Hammock a pass because I don't know what makes you such an expert on recruiting and coaching that you can even be entrusted to type up a roster, let alone build one. So I'd rather be stuck supporting Hammock and the Huskies than taking advice from someone who doesn't know how much of a football is pumped or stuffed.
He took a MAC championship team from 1st to almost last (and do not give me bs about injuries, happens every year, to everybody). And now will be given a pass for 2 years with now accountability?!?!. I hope you never run a company or it will be bankrupt before your years of leniency(for those in charge) ever come to fruition.
Excuse me....Do you know me? What I do for a living? and how I am connected to the team? Continue to assume (only a fool does that). No NIU fan, should be happy with what has transpired and EVERYBODY involved should be held accountable. Staring with the guy running the ship..
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While I might not agree with everything everyone says,
I do agree that the head coach is accountable.
If a boss, supervisor, manager, head coach does not want to
be accountable, then they should step aside and let someone
else be accountable. He's the leader, he's accountable.
You can site injuries, changes in offense, defense, excuses,
that's all fine but the bottom line is, the head coach is responsible.
He owns it all, the Good and the Bad.
Responsibility is in the job description of being a manager...
If anyone does not want to be held accountable, then don't be a manager.
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(11-22-2019 08:26 PM)Motown Bronco Wrote:  Admittedly I haven't read through all 100+ posts on the topic, but is there a link to confirm all this? I assume the OP is a trusted reliable source since it appears everyone is taking this at face value.

Not verified but when you search posters’ histories it’s easy to see when it’s a parent.
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(11-22-2019 04:13 PM)uiniu57 Wrote:  
(11-22-2019 03:16 PM)JKHuskie45 Wrote:  When are we going to start holding Coach Hammock accountable? Why are people so quick to give this guy a free pass?
He did not take over a rebuilding project , infact, STF said he was hired to take us to the next level. Harbs, like it or not, was one of our best players. I am 100% sure he is not transferring because the team is losing. Good character sets the culture. Hammock pushed players out that had good character and much more will go when season is done (no, not 20 but quite a few). Now, instead of going to the next level, we are stuck rebuilding a team for the next 2 years by a guy who I am not sure can even coach let alone be entrusted to build a roster.

Since you believe in over-inflating every word:
-- did you honestly think STF talking about taking "us to the next level" was literal gospel, or something any and every AD would say about a new hire?
-- are you at every practice, team meeting, etc.? How do you know what the culture is and under this culture, what constitutes good character?
-- statistically Harbs was one of the best players. How many runningbacks don't want to be the featured back? How many don't want virtually unlimited touches to prove their ability? So you tell us why under these circumstances he wants to play somewhere else other than he doesn't like losing?
-- what is your evidence Hammock "pushed players out that had good character"? Or are these simply people you know or are friends with?
-- If the recruiting hadn't declined under Carey, how come the cupboard wasn't so well stocked that this year's team could withstand the numerous injuries that have occurred?
-- Why are so many people quick to give Hammock a free pass? Because many of us have been around Huskie athletics longer than you've been alive and we witnessed and saw Hammock's appreciation and commitment to NIU as a player; watched his rise through various coaching assignments at the collegiate and pro level. This is a guy who literally put his heart on the line for NIU football at one point. Most recently, he said it's his dream job, same as so many others have indicated when given a chance to coach at their alma mater. Maybe he gets a free pass because I like the kool-aid when he talks about success academically and athletically, same as he achieved here as a player, in contrast to some of the current generation's entitled attitude.
-- Charlie Sadler had a great resume, but Joe Novak had to run off players, some of whom were starters and believed they were stars, and yes it took longer, but the program did reach new heights. As some other poster noted, maybe to get beyond the level of Carey's we-can-never-win-a bowl-game level, another re-tooling was needed.
-- Despite the quality numbers posted, NIU has had many outstanding backs from Kellar to Latin to Richardson to Roth to Dach to Hammock to Turner to Johnson to Talley to Wolfe, etc., and Harbs doesn't make the top 10.
-- And finally, I'm giving Hammock a pass because I don't know what makes you such an expert on recruiting and coaching that you can even be entrusted to type up a roster, let alone build one. So I'd rather be stuck supporting Hammock and the Huskies than taking advice from someone who doesn't know how much of a football is pumped or stuffed.

I have not always agreed with you in the past but you hit the nail on the head here. This is a crazy board with a lot of " I think", and not much substance. There are probably five posters I respect and will always read. You are one I respect (not always agree with). We need to all shut up, wait a couple of weeks and see what unfolds.

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(11-22-2019 08:19 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Anyone that says Hammock did not take over a rebuilding project is just delusional


Get Real...

Every year you lose players. Every year you rebuild.

I know the cliche...."we reload"...but that's bull.

Hammock took over a program that has averaged 8 wins a year for a long time.
He took over a team that won a championship.

It's not like he took over Akron....

Peoples expectations were higher than what this season has produced. That's all.

And rightly so...

Hammock just might be the rebuilding project. The jury is still out. We will have to wait and see.
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I can only hope that it works out well.
Have not seen this number of transfers in the last 20 years at NIU.
Obviously he is changing the culture.
7/9 Detroit trips not good enough?
From first to worst in the MAC West.
The next level?
I feel upset, confused and skeptical.
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Who the heck is Tom Trieb? Good luck kid...... Must be leaving because we get Pugh and the Law Firm back. (Crossing me fingers those guys don’t pull a JJ)
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(11-22-2019 09:39 PM)BDB5yp Wrote:  Who the heck is Tom Thrieb? Good luck kid......

Here's his Rivals recruiting page:

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2...-interests

Here is his bio on the website. He had some kind of injury his senior year.

https://niuhuskies.com/sports/football/r...trieb/6473
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Linebacker , as if we did not have enough issues with that position already.
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(11-22-2019 09:44 PM)Huskiepower2003 Wrote:  Linebacker , as if we did not have enough issues with that position already.

Does NIU have an LB's left?
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(11-22-2019 09:59 PM)prairiedawg Wrote:  
(11-22-2019 09:44 PM)Huskiepower2003 Wrote:  Linebacker , as if we did not have enough issues with that position already.

Does NIU have an LB's left?

Yeah, plenty. Just hold an open tryout.
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Lb? Came to camp at 260, that's NOT a LBer and I do not care what the media guide says. Might be a blocking back or TE at his next school.
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(11-22-2019 09:38 PM)Huskiepower2003 Wrote:  I can only hope that it works out well.
Have not seen this number of transfers in the last 20 years at NIU.
Obviously he is changing the culture.
7/9 Detroit trips not good enough?
From first to worst in the MAC West.
The next level?
I feel upset, confused and skeptical.


Well stated...it's that simple...and not a single person on this board can make a tangible arguement against your point. Those silly people got everything they wanted..
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Is coach Hammock telling new recruits they will play right away? Wants to clean house because he wants his players? Any good coach has to believe in his players and his system.
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(11-22-2019 10:21 PM)MGMFIN86 Wrote:  Is coach Hammock telling new recruits they will play right away? Wants to clean house because he wants his players? Any good coach has to believe in his players and his system.

To be honest I don’t think anyone knows what’s really going on unless you are close to the team. With that said anyone close to the team want to share??? 02-13-banana
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I remember Joe Novak having to clean house his first year or two. Took a few years to get his program going. Well worth the wait
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If you leave your agendas at the door and look for other explanations there’s a possible bigger one to worry about. Maybe the kids just aren’t happy at NIU? There is always going to be some kids who don’t like a new staff. Kids come to play for the coach who recruits them as much as the school. But if as many kids leave as indicated there has to be more to it. We know Ryan Roberts left specifically for that reason. These are starters who are leaving. Logically speaking Mckies job should not be in jeopardy and he has 2 years left. Unless he absolutely hates Hammock or fears a 2-10 season I can’t see another good reason to leave unless he just isn’t happy at NIU.
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The talk about getting rid of bad attitudes is just crazy talk at best. The kids we have recruited are solid and are winners and know how to win. (7 out of 9 Mac West). The issue with this program today is just talent. We are SLOW. We have NO chance of making a play in our return game, can't go house with a RB, can't take ball away like Smalls and Ward. Our current Huskies have demonstrated championship character, but as team we need more speed and to stay healthy.

Let's drop the BS about attitudes and clearing the bad ones out, those characters left 20+ years ago.
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(11-23-2019 10:05 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  The talk about getting rid of bad attitudes is just crazy talk at best. The kids we have recruited are solid and are winners and know how to win. (7 out of 9 Mac West). The issue with this program today is just talent. We are SLOW. We have NO chance of making a play in our return game, can't go house with a RB, can't take ball away like Smalls and Ward. Our current Huskies have demonstrated championship character, but as team we need more speed and to stay healthy.

Let's drop the BS about attitudes and clearing the bad ones out, those characters left 20+ years ago.

Is this really the case though? How many TD returns are there a season? There was only 1 in both 2012+2013. Is ball stripping natural talent or
learned technique? Was Stingily or Bouagnon taking it to the end zone from 50 yards out? Is Richie or Tears considered slow? Speed vs how that speed is used. Wesley is the fastest wr that has been here in a very long time. Didn’t mean squat really.

For sure we’d love to have a game breaker at RB. Or WR. But you still need the qb AND game plan to make them effective. I just don’t think the answer is all about speed except for Harbison. But even that it’s not just a speed thing. Huff could take it to the house but his 40 time was 4.64. Same as Lynch who took many the distance. If next years LB crew is AJD, Pugh and Cole....that’s a damn fast group.
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